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big kev

REGO TUBES LEGAL OR ILLEGAL ??
this is something that all members in NSW or other states may had some trouble over the ol rego tube is it legal or illegal ??? reading the info in the link i have added it states that it should be near the number plate and be clear and visible i think all riders could carry this legislation on them and if pulled over then present this to the officer i know that doing this will upset the officer but it saves a fine

this is just info that can help you stay out of trouble from the police



http://tinyurl.com/lrnbub

big kev

update: rego tubes on bikes in NSW

Kathy and i have spoken with the MCC (guy stanford) and he has said that the RTA rules for rego tubes in NSW are legal the police unfortunatly are useing the national light vehicle code of australia to fine riders haveing rego tubes on there bike.Should an officer fine for the rego tube then you should take it to court and it can be contested

i hope this help guys n girls

thanks kathy , keven
(AHC) delegates

CeeJay07

Have the police been informed of this? If they knew the right regulations to follow in NSW, this would save everyone a lot of court time, time off work etc...
Kev,

I think the real issue is in what the wording states that the label has to be clearly visible and by that I would see that to mean the whole label not just part of it. The label itself contains certain details of the vehicle including registration number, VIN number, actual expiry date of registration. When you have a look at the sample on the NRMA site you can clearly see that all that information is not visible. All you can really see is the month and year as it is rolled up inside the tube. It comes to hand that people in the real world save themselves yearly registration and third party insurance fees by displaying rego labels off other vehicles, modifying expired labels, and using labels off trailers etc just to mention a few in order to make it look like their bike/car is currently registered. I see this being more the issue with Police and whether the tubes are legal or not. A good prosecutor could argue the case in court that by the letter of the legislation the tubes are in fact not legal and heaven forbid should it be your bike that gets hit and written off by one of these aholes who's car/bike is unregistered and therefore aren't covered by insurance. Food for thought.
The last time I got checked, which wasn't very long ago, the cop used his onboard computer to check the rego. Didn't even bother looking at the roll tube.
Although it was clearly visible below the plate with the year and month showing.

big kev

The RTA say the rego tubes are legal .Then we as riders have the legal right to use them .There is nothing illegal about them and if the cops want info off the rego lable that can simply turn the tube to read that info. in saying that the police have onboard PC'S to tell them all about the bikes status so really its a much to do about nothing with the rego tubes
i was pulled over a few weeks back and i dont eve have the rego on my bike or under the seat. the cop didnt say a work. it even slipped my mind while he was going over the bike.
Hey guys don't shoot the messenger. Obvious both of you have the rego tubes. I'm not for or against them your choice. I'm just pointing out a few things. Kev on your first post you clearly state that the label has to be clear and visible and ner the number plate not hidden on the frame near the head stem. The issue I am making is that to me that means the whole label not part of it so you have to turn it round to get the rest of the details. The RTA is a statutory Government body in NSW. Other states have different Registry bodies and regulations. The RTA state the label holder is legal under their regulations to which they act under. I think you will find that their ruling (regulation) is not legislation (by that I mean a law) that Police act under. e.g. Motor Traffic ACT or Code. So when you get stopped and booked for this I gather it would be for something under the Motor Traffic Act or Code e.g. Rego label displayed incorrectly, or fraudulent use of rego label or label calculated to deceive or something similar. Bit like headlight covers and helmet standards classifications. All legal until you have the covers tinted but not an offence under an Act or which cop ever checks helmet safety standards compliance. Usually comes under some petty offence in the Motor Traffic Act or Code or the other option defect the vehicle and let the RTA go over it not to mention inconvenience.

In relation to the PC's used by the cops, not every vehicle is/may be fitted with a PC and certainly its a cops discretion to use it in order to find out details that should be clearly displayed as stated. Only reason to use it is to confirm whether the vehicle is currently registered or not and whether your licenced. If not guess what, park your bike and start walking plus fines. Nothing there to say he can't issue a fine for not having your label displayed incorrectly but I think the fine is so petty it's not worth while the effort issuing until maybe some body decides to input some of his/hers own opinions. Boy watch the threads go off on the posts then. Anyway my 2 cents worth.

CeeJay07

I agree with what was stated above in part...the cops could quite easily say the the entire rego label is not displayed/easily read in a single viewing. It's a bit nit-picky, but as consumers become more aware of their rights and obligations, cops will take evrything to the 'n'th degree just to write out a ticket if the mood strikes. But if you've got a rego label on your bike (whether in a tube or not) they should really be concentrating all their efforts on charging real criminals...like those wankers that put straight-thru pipes on their two-wheeled boat anchors (harley riders for those that are scratching their heads).

big kev

i will just state what the RTA has said about the REGO TUBES.That they are legal by there standards the law the cops use is diffrent its up to the indervidual if they wish to persue it at court. On another note its not just ME who has a rego tube but all NSW members that have them and not just busa owners its something im pushing for all riders in NSW any info i put up here is for all members and not just me banging my own drum. kathy and i feel strongly about these issues and we want this fixed so we as riders can be free from 1 more fine

i hope this clears this up
(08-09-2009, 05:10pm)big kev Wrote: [ -> ]i will just state what the RTA has said about the REGO TUBES.That they are legal by there standards the law the cops use is diffrent its up to the indervidual if they wish to persue it at court. On another note its not just ME who has a rego tube but all NSW members that have them and not just busa owners its something im pushing for all riders in NSW any info i put up here is for all members and not just me banging my own drum. kathy and i feel strongly about these issues and we want this fixed so we as riders can be free from 1 more fine

i hope this clears this up

Kev,

Don't get me wrong I never implied that this was something of your own agenda which is the way I read your last post, if thats the way you took my reply I apoligise. Like I said I don't care re rego tubes either way. I was just trying to point out the issue re the difference between RTA and Cops. Until someone does take it to court and contends the matter and gets a decision one way or the other, bike riders in NSW should be aware that they may receive a fine. Keep up the good work. Once again I apoligise. My intentions like yours are hopefully for the good of all riders.

big kev

The law in NSW is very clear about placement of Rego labels on motorcycles.

on or adjacent to the vehicle’s rear number-plate in such a manner that the characters on the number-plate are not obscured

A motorcycle is "in any other case" 16(3)© as detailed below

With limited space on the rear of a motorcycle, this Regulation leads to problems
I have seen numberplates shattered by metal fatigue, rego label mounting bolts ripped out of rear mudguards, rego label mount broken and inadvertant obscuration of numberplate.
Windage on the rego label holder and vibration at the rear of a motorcycle (particularly singles and big twins) create problems of mounting strength and materials fatigue.


http://www.legislation.nsw.gov.au/fragvi...N?tocnav=y

Road Transport (Vehicle Registration) Regulation 2007
Current version for 6 July 2009 to date (accessed 10 September 2009 at 14:36)
Part 2Division 4Clause 16 << page >>

16 Registration labels

(1) If the Authority registers a registrable vehicle it must issue a registration label.
(2) A registration label:
(a) issued in respect of a motor vehicle (other than a motor vehicle referred to in paragraph (b)) must include:
(i) the registration number of the vehicle, and
(ii) its make, and
(iii) its model or body type (whichever is the more descriptive), and
(iv) its VIN or, if there is no VIN, any chassis number and engine number, and
(v) the expiry date of the vehicle’s registration, and
(vi) if the vehicle is conditionally registered—a code indicating that the vehicle is conditionally registered, and
(vii) the vehicle’s GVM (if applicable to the vehicle concerned), and
(viii) the vehicle’s GCM (if applicable to the vehicle concerned), and
(ix) if the vehicle is a heavy vehicle—the applicable charging category for the vehicle under the Road Transport (Heavy Vehicles Registration Charges) Act 1995 in coded form, or
(b) issued in respect of a trailer or a motor vehicle without a windscreen or fixed windows must be in a form approved by the Authority.
Note. In relation to subclause (2) (a) (vi), a registered operator will receive full written explanation of the conditions applying to the vehicle when the registration label is issued.
In relation to subclause (2) (a) (ix), a list of codes is available from the Authority.

(3) A registration label must be affixed:
(a) in the case of a motor vehicle fitted with a windscreen or fixed windows:
(i) to the lower left (or near side) portion of the front windscreen, or
(ii) to any fixed window on the left (or near) side of the vehicle, and
(b) in the case of a caravan or other trailer:
(i) on or adjacent to the vehicle’s number-plate in such a manner that the characters on the number-plate are not obscured, or
(ii) if the vehicle has a fixed rear window or a hinged rear window that is to be closed when the caravan or other trailer is being towed—to that window, in a location as close as possible to the vehicle’s number-plate, and
[color]© in any other case—on or adjacent to the vehicle’s rear number-plate in such a manner that the characters on the number-plate are not obscured.[/color](4) Despite subclause (3), the registration label must be affixed so that the information on the label is readable from the outside of the vehicle.
(5) Despite subclause (1), the Authority is not required to issue a registration label in respect of a registrable vehicle that is operated by a State or Territory or the Commonwealth or by an authority of a State or Territory or the Commonwealth.
(6) On payment of any applicable gazetted fee, the Authority may issue a replacement registration label to the person in whose name a registrable vehicle is registered if the Authority is satisfied that the original registration label is lost, stolen, damaged or destroyed.
Re part 6 of 3, So I ride with label in boot of bike under hump because the RTA Oxygen thieves choose to charge me $20.00 to replace a God damn sticker when it falls off the back as requested to be attached. Why not charge $3.00 that`s how much it costs them to reproduce it.
Just like rego plates $37.00 for plates, but I handed in my interstate plates & pay rego fees and get charged for the plate on top. Colonial thieves Wtf
(10-09-2009, 04:20pm)big kev Wrote: [ -> ]The law in NSW is very clear about placement of Rego labels on motorcycles.

on or adjacent to the vehicle’s rear number-plate in such a manner that the characters on the number-plate are not obscured

A motorcycle is "in any other case" 16(3)© as detailed below

With limited space on the rear of a motorcycle, this Regulation leads to problems
I have seen numberplates shattered by metal fatigue, rego label mounting bolts ripped out of rear mudguards, rego label mount broken and inadvertant obscuration of numberplate.
Windage on the rego label holder and vibration at the rear of a motorcycle (particularly singles and big twins) create problems of mounting strength and materials fatigue.


http://www.legislation.nsw.gov.au/fragvi...N?tocnav=y

Road Transport (Vehicle Registration) Regulation 2007
Current version for 6 July 2009 to date (accessed 10 September 2009 at 14:36)
Part 2Division 4Clause 16 << page >>

16 Registration labels

(1) If the Authority registers a registrable vehicle it must issue a registration label.
(2) A registration label:
(a) issued in respect of a motor vehicle (other than a motor vehicle referred to in paragraph (b)) must include:
(i) the registration number of the vehicle, and
(ii) its make, and
(iii) its model or body type (whichever is the more descriptive), and
(iv) its VIN or, if there is no VIN, any chassis number and engine number, and
(v) the expiry date of the vehicle’s registration, and
(vi) if the vehicle is conditionally registered—a code indicating that the vehicle is conditionally registered, and
(vii) the vehicle’s GVM (if applicable to the vehicle concerned), and
(viii) the vehicle’s GCM (if applicable to the vehicle concerned), and
(ix) if the vehicle is a heavy vehicle—the applicable charging category for the vehicle under the Road Transport (Heavy Vehicles Registration Charges) Act 1995 in coded form, or
(b) issued in respect of a trailer or a motor vehicle without a windscreen or fixed windows must be in a form approved by the Authority.
Note. In relation to subclause (2) (a) (vi), a registered operator will receive full written explanation of the conditions applying to the vehicle when the registration label is issued.
In relation to subclause (2) (a) (ix), a list of codes is available from the Authority.

(3) A registration label must be affixed:
(a) in the case of a motor vehicle fitted with a windscreen or fixed windows:
(i) to the lower left (or near side) portion of the front windscreen, or
(ii) to any fixed window on the left (or near) side of the vehicle, and
(b) in the case of a caravan or other trailer:
(i) on or adjacent to the vehicle’s number-plate in such a manner that the characters on the number-plate are not obscured, or
(ii) if the vehicle has a fixed rear window or a hinged rear window that is to be closed when the caravan or other trailer is being towed—to that window, in a location as close as possible to the vehicle’s number-plate, and
[color]© in any other case—on or adjacent to the vehicle’s rear number-plate in such a manner that the characters on the number-plate are not obscured.[/color](4) Despite subclause (3), the registration label must be affixed so that the information on the label is readable from the outside of the vehicle.
(5) Despite subclause (1), the Authority is not required to issue a registration label in respect of a registrable vehicle that is operated by a State or Territory or the Commonwealth or by an authority of a State or Territory or the Commonwealth.
(6) On payment of any applicable gazetted fee, the Authority may issue a replacement registration label to the person in whose name a registrable vehicle is registered if the Authority is satisfied that the original registration label is lost, stolen, damaged or destroyed.

Kev, there is the wording I was referring to (3), the registration label must be affixed so that the information on the label is readable from the outside of the vehicle. There is quite a bit of information on that label.
This is where I believe there may have to be a court case for a Magistrate to make a ruling. But by the wording I believe the rego tube would lose in court especially if it were brought to the attention of the Magistrate that you have to rotate the tube in order to be able to read all the information.

big kev

all i can do as a delegate is pass on the relevent info to you the riders and from there its up to ever indervidual to make the choice to either take it to court or cop it on the chin


now what i have done is put a call to mark stenberg whom is a promanant motorcycle rider and does a few rides with rapid and whom has helped me out of a few stick situations i will be waiting for a call and disscusing this matter further and all i can do is pass on to members what he says to me

hope that this helps
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