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G,day guys and girls, Only recently joined up and getting the hang of this it thing. What i,m really trying to find out is what front brake upgrades are out there for Gen 2,s. I,ve got a black 2011 thats already got Hel braided lines and ebc hh pads but i think it,s still a little bit lacking am wondering what else i may have over looked,should have waited a little while longer to get the one with brembos.Or should i consider changing the calipers to six potters? any advise would be great

(28-10-2013, 07:15pm)busarat Wrote: [ -> ]G,day guys and girls, Only recently joined up and getting the hang of this it thing. What i,m really trying to find out is what front brake upgrades are out there for Gen 2,s. I,ve got a black 2011 thats already got Hel braided lines and ebc hh pads but i think it,s still a little bit lacking am wondering what else i may have over looked,should have waited a little while longer to get the one with brembos.Or should i consider changing the calipers to six potters? any advise would be great

Get a set of Brembo monoblocks. (about $900 from memory). No one uses six pots anymore. I am happy with OEM master but some people here also replace it with Brembo radial one. Anyway do not use them too much.. they only slow you down...

Good luck.

Thanks will look into it as there,s a bit of down time thanks to NSW highway patrol. I find the stockers reasonable on the road at steady to moderate pace but suffer fade when you decide to use it the way it should be used. The only track time on it was june 25/27 2013 which wasn,t the best time to get a good grasp on them as it would have been easier on a jet ski,and when it did dry out i thought they were fading real bad!!.The only reason i thought about six potters is my other toy 01 GSXR1000 has them and being a track only beast it has unreal stoppers even with a heavy weight aboard. Thanks for the advise

rat, easiest way to upgrade brakes is start at the lowest cost and then work your way up.

You have already changed out your pads and lines, great start. But you can also move up to the EBC Extreme pro-pads which are a big improvement over the standard EBC HH brake pads, although they are expensive at about $70-80 US per rotor.

After brake pads and stainless steel lines, the only thing left is brake rotors, brake master cylinder, and the calipers. I have the Galfer Wave Rotors and just love them. Plus I had them custom painted to match the bike. Several brands of brake rotors you can choose from too.

Master cylinder would run you about $3-400 for the kit, but the improvement over stock with a Brembo or Accossato master cylinder is incredible. we carry both these brands, and the Accossato also comes with a free brake line included, since you generally have to change out your brake lines once you swap over to a radial master cylinder.

We also carry Brembo calipers, but they are expensive figure about $700-1000 for a set. Plus you would need to also change brake lines if you swap over to new calipers, because the attachment is different over stock & slightly different place on brembo caliper over the Tokico stock. Let me know how we can help.









Brembos we recently sent out:



Brembo 19RCS w/ folding lever has been most popular with Busa owners:

waaaaay too much brake for street use......exactly how I like it.

Spiegler lines, Braketech 330mm Axis Irons, Ferodo XRAC pads, ASV levers.

Wow !! Sexy !!

(29-10-2013, 07:31am)BikerBoy Wrote: [ -> ]waaaaay too much brake for street use......exactly how I like it.

Spiegler lines, Braketech 330mm Axis Irons, Ferodo XRAC pads, ASV levers.

That's my thoughts exactly you can never have to much braking power

if you are interested in the rotors, contact Ray from ERI (easy rider imports). He is an AHC member here as well - Kawasuki. Mine are the 330mm oversized which I recently upgraded from the 310 Axis irons.

To be honest the brembo callipers look horn, and work so good, but the stocky caliper is fine.

Good quality rotor, pads and braided lines.
If your still not to happy the master cyl is the answer.

I find the stock one don't give enough pressure. a set of brembo master cylinders is defiantly the way to go.. (Yes set, cause the bars have to look semetrical!)
This is probable the biggest improvement you can make to the bike in terms of brake feel.

Ash

Crozzer fitted a set of Brembo radial monobloc calipers and heil braided lines. I took it for a viscious fang and the difference astounded me, (and no, that is not my natural look). That being said, as Axe says, the stock setup is good but the master cylinder is sucky. If you don't like the look, take a lead from Kawasaki and mount a remote master cylinder as per the ZIR Mk II (or was that (I)?).

(29-10-2013, 03:36pm)Camel Wrote: [ -> ]Crozzer fitted a set of Brembo radial monobloc calipers and heil braided lines. I took it for a viscious fang and the difference astounded me, (and no, that is not my natural look). That being said, as Axe says, the stock setup is good but the master cylinder is sucky. If you don't like the look, take a lead from Kawasaki and mount a remote master cylinder as per the ZIR Mk II (or was that (I)?).

Must ask what is wrong with the OEM master. What sort of problems or symptoms do you get? I think they are great and even put one on my track bike. (Brembo calipers and Hel twin lines) Rear off the ground almost every corner in over 10 laps at Mallala. Discs get very blue but no sign of fading or increased lever travel. Though I have to admit it is a bitch to bleed as its really needs taking off the bar and tilting.

Stock master has a very small bore and piston,

My K9.... put on race spec pads and rotors, hell braided lines, 5.1DOT fluid and at the track here in Perth I would only get about 4 laps before the lever went soft, and came all the way back to the bars. Every track day the same thing.
Replaced with brembo RC19, almost double the bore, and heaps more pressure at the wheel.

Problem solved.

Biggest improvment by far.


stock master I feel, just lacks that bits, and feel. Very disappointing they didn't up grade it with the Gen2.


Just my thoughts.


Axe

I thought the Gen 2 master cylinder was different to the Gen 1 (internally)...?

(29-10-2013, 09:43pm)Axe Wrote: [ -> ]Stock master has a very small bore and piston,

My K9.... put on race spec pads and rotors, hell braided lines, 5.1DOT fluid and at the track here in Perth I would only get about 4 laps before the lever went soft, and came all the way back to the bars. Every track day the same thing.
Replaced with brembo RC19, almost double the bore, and heaps more pressure at the wheel.

Problem solved.

Biggest improvment by far.


stock master I feel, just lacks that bits, and feel. Very disappointing they didn't up grade it with the Gen2.


Just my thoughts.


Axe

We are sort of comparing pears with apples as you are using OEM calipers. What you have described can be related more to them than the master cylinder. Assuming the same force is acting on both pistons the bigger diameter piston will only give you more fluid volume but will decrease the pressure at the calipers. That is just the law of physics and that is why in your hydraulic jack the handle is moving small piston while the big one is doing the lifting of the car. If your lever increased the travel so much as to start touching the bar it means that your calipers have started moving apart under the pressure (brake fluid is practically incompressible)and you were running out of fluid volume the smaller piston provides. The Brembo master cylinder with a bigger diameter piston provides bigger volume for the same amount of stroke and that will compensate for inadequate calipers. That does not mean in any way that the OEM master cylinder is not any good as it works perfectly with a well designed rigid calipers.

(28-10-2013, 07:30pm)Shifu Wrote: [ -> ]

(28-10-2013, 07:15pm)busarat Wrote: [ -> ]G,day guys and girls, Only recently joined up and getting the hang of this it thing. What i,m really trying to find out is what front brake upgrades are out there for Gen 2,s. I,ve got a black 2011 thats already got Hel braided lines and ebc hh pads but i think it,s still a little bit lacking am wondering what else i may have over looked,should have waited a little while longer to get the one with brembos.Or should i consider changing the calipers to six potters? any advise would be great

Get a set of Brembo monoblocks. (about $900 from memory). No one uses six pots anymore. I am happy with OEM master but some people here also replace it with Brembo radial one. Anyway do not use them too much.. they only slow you down...

Good luck.

I use six pots. Got a full race kit although they now just do the discs.
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