Why are we getting ripped off!

[edris]

I went to the dealer today to get a quote for 08 RS-3 Stainless/Carbon Slip-On "yoshi" by the way I ordered my previous one from USA just wanted to cut the hassle and buy it from Sydney and was told $2100 i couldn't stop laughing to his face cause I got my 07 shipped for $1000 anyways went to this bike accessories and parts shop was told $2200 I cant believe how much they wanna rip you off, you can buy same product from their website(offical yoshimura website) for only $940 straight to your door.
I reckon we get ripped off for everything busa should be 14,500 for some reason its 18400+ORC and this is the funny thing it would cost me less to buy an Australian holden monaro from USA"pointac or whatever over there" and get it shipped here than buying from Australia, my brother bought a 05 or 06 mustang as new for 20k(he lives in USA) in Australia 98 model mustang is K50+ or K60+
shame shame

Update: I agree with you guys that different economy effects prices but in many cases its greedy private companies. We have been taken over by china in every product, USA bought many of our Aussie companies, its greedy people out there that are doing this, cheap crap products at David Jones made in china they buy it for 5$ and sell it for $100, dont forget all the jobs that are going to India, is it because of economy? i dont think so its just about making profit. Even "can tomatoes" are coming from china which they use human manure, I watched this program on TV where Aussie companies had to dump tons of tomatoes because they cant compete with Chinese products. Most companies are bought out by American giants and china , all our doctors comes from India . I just like to see Australia sell its own products and have its own Doctors thats all cause we are very capable of doing, plus you cant even compare Chinese products with Australian products.

Anyways this is Hayabusa forum I went off the track lol sorry guys.

Also about moving to other country Ive traveled the 7seas :) there is not 1 country in the world that could compare to Australia.

[Louwai]

I've been asking the same question for years. It's everywhere not just bikes.
I'm also into telescopes (as some of you will know). A specific telescope I want I can buy RETAIL on-line from the us, ship it over here & pay all correct import duty & GST & have it delivered to my house for AU$9700.00
The EXACT SAME telescope to buy retail in Melborne is AU$14000.00
How much profit are these f***kers making?????

[Louwai]

A little more. Do any of you know the standard 10" water filter replacement cartridge.????
Available in Bunnings for about $30
Available from water "specialists" for about $48
I import & sell the EXACT same filter at a damn healthy profit for $7.00

I have a friend who is a bunnings Warehouse mgr. She tells me that NOTHING goes out the Bunnings door for less than 100% profit. Even the stuff that is on sale.

[TimF]

Gents,

How long has this been the situation...

Are we just waiting for warehouses etc to clear old stock before we hopefully get fairer prices? Not suggesting this is the case, just throwing it out there for someone more intelligent than myself. :)

Tim.

[Simo]

Now I have no claim to being an economic expert, but it also has to do with local economy in each country. Example being, my equivilant in the US armed forces earns less than half of what I earn, and a bit worse now that our dollar is gaining ground.

I am not saying that things aren't over priced sometimes, and we shouldn't sit back and be ripped off if that is ever the case either.

End of the day, you can always move to one of these countries that seem to give a better deal, but for quality of life and everything else Australia offers, I wouldn't consider it for the world!

" Australians all let us rejoice....."

[rb3221]

It all boils down to one thing GREED GREED and more GREED some importers are some importer are not!

[kawasuki]

We do have different costs here eg Living expences,taxes, import duties ,lease payments etc .to keep a business going. When u buy from the US direct u will eventually wipe out Ozzy dealers and then be at the mercy of the US dealers for warranty etc. And also the US buying power is much greater than our small importers. As for Yoshi stuff there are different quality exhausts made,very cheap ones and very expensive ones. Example is if a punter nere buys one item from US he wont pay GST and customs duties + were a importer will bring in a bunch of stuff he will pay GST + so there is approx 15% at least extra in costs.

[rb3221]

I know there are taxes, duties ect here I import weekly from the US but some importor are greedy! not saying all but some are

[Louwai]

I know there are taxes, duties ect here I import weekly from the US but some importor are greedy! not saying all but some are

Why are you saying it's the importer that's greedy??? I don't disagree, many are, but what about the wholesalers & retailers.

My example above with the water filter cartridges that I sell. I sell them for $7ea retail & for orders of 1000pcs or more I sell them for $4.20ea. The wholesaler / retaler that buys 1000 from me at $4.20 is retailing the same cartrdge for $48ea.

Many retailers will use similar price strategies......

As Kawasuki says, we have different costs here. I agree with that as well, But just using my example, I think almost 1200% increase on my price is a bit much.......... Problem is, people pay it cause they don't know any better.

[Gnarbunkle99]

Dick Smith Ausie of the year, 1 cent electrical component cost price, his retail price $1. Thats 10,000% markup before taxes et al.

[rb3221]

Ok I should have included wholesalers in with that, but most of the “wholesalers” I deal with here are the “importer”. Most of time the price is already way to high by time it gets to the reseller and a good reseller ends up having to work with sweet F.A. mark up if he wants to sell to Joe public, thatâ€s why you see more retailers going broke and having close up then you do importers/wholesalers.

Look at it this way, I can buy a one part over the counter in the US at retail (if I do not have a US supplier), then freight it in pay air freight, GST and duty then retail it to my customer for less then the some importers/wholesalers will sell it to me here, and they are getting their stuff at a dealers price (lot lower then retail), now this not all the time but it is most of the time.

BUT not all importers/wholesalers are like this, some are very fair with there pricing I have got part here that have worked out cheaper then I can bring it in for, and I will always support those guyâ€s.

[Louwai]

Ok I should have included wholesalers in with that, but most of the “wholesalers” I deal with here are the “importer”. Most of time the price is already way to high

No worries. try a different importer.

www.mdam-imports.com.au

[Volvi]

Its also simple economics. Oz having such a limited market, what comes in is often without competition to bring the prices down. But now the internet have given them a run for their money as anyone can buy like on ebay and import. and as long as its under $500 or some say $1000 they dont get hassled by GST or duty. Tho cans I believe do attract duty, not sure if anyone got hit by them.

[Louwai]

Update: I agree with you guys that different economy effects prices but in many cases its greedy private companies. We have been taken over by china in every product, USA bought many of our Aussie companies, its greedy people out there that are doing this, cheap crap products at David Jones made in china they buy it for 5$ and sell it for $100, dont forget all the jobs that are going to India, is it because of economy? i dont think so its just about making profit. Even "can tomatoes" are coming from china which they use human manure, I watched this program on TV where Aussie companies had to dump tons of tomatoes because they cant compete with Chinese products. Most companies are bought out by American giants and china , all our doctors comes from India . I just like to see Australia sell its own products and have its own Doctors thats all cause we are very capable of doing, plus you cant even compare Chinese products with Australian products.

Anyways this is Hayabusa forum I went off the track lol sorry guys.

Also about moving to other country Ive traveled the 7seas :) there is not 1 country in the world that could compare to Australia.

A lot of it is high wages in Australia. Much higher than the equivilent in other countries. That alone is detrimental to our products because they are just too expensive on the world market due the the amount of labor cost involved in the production.
High wages are certainly good for the employee, but the overall effect is that the demand for our produce drops due to it's high price.

The follow on effect from that is that the Australian manufacturers try to make the actual item with cheaper raw materials to compensate for the extra they need to payout for wages. Then you get a high priced item which is not as good quality as it should be. Which again drives customers to other suppliers. OR they automate & remove the employee totally which is certainly no good for the employee.

So ultimately the manufacturer goes overseas to produce in a cheaper country.

Also, You refer to "Cheap Crap Chinese Products". I agree many Chinese products are exactly that, but you should understand that this is what the Chinese LOCAL economy runs on.
You need to understand a little of the Chinese culture.
There are 2 main things that drive a "traditional" Chinese person's life. 1) To save money 2) to look good in front of others
You & I would happily pay $1000 for a washing machine which would last 15 odd yrs. A Chinese person would think you are crazy doing that. They would rather pay $80 for a washing machine that would last 1yr. So in the short term they have saved money. And in 1yr time they buy another one. They do this with many of their items & so they constantly have new things in the house & look good in front of others.

So the Cheap Crap Products are actually in demand in China. And then the overseas companies want to buy this stuff & the Chinese manufacturers are happy to sell it.

So my comment is, don't blame the Chinese for selling an item which they have been selling internally for years. Blame the large buyers who exploite these items & sell to us for way too much.

[Rev]

Everything is or will be manufactured overseas eventually. When a company compares manufacturing costs ( labour) it's a no brainer.

In Oz a worker is entitled to shift penalties, weekend penalties, public holiday penalties (plus day off in lieu), xmas/new year loading, 4 weeks paid annual leave with loading, 6 months paid long service leave after qualifying, rostered days off, generous employer sponsored superannuation, 2 weeks paid sick leave, 5 days unsupported sick leave.....plus the enshrined right to knock off everything that aint bolted down

In Asia a worker is entitled to his basic pay packet & is very happy to receive it..

Most businesses work on a mark up rate of a basic 100% (clothing etc etc).....I think the bike aftermarket pricing structure is based on what they think the market will bear, especially if you want to be first kid on the block with anything. There is a simple answer to high accessory parts pricing & that is....................keep your hands in your pockets thrillseekers