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busababy
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(10/25/00 5:59:50 pm)
63.34.211.74
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i also got my "URGENT IMPORTANT INFORMATION" notice from suzuki today regarding the tensioner however, too late to save my engine, as i already posted,,
regarding the tensioner: if the tensioner spring breaks the tensioner allow the chain to have excessive freeplay which results in upsetting the valve timing dramatically which can result in the pistons hitting the inlet valves in the cylinder head, the damage to the engine from that point on can be considerable,,
when you are travelling down the road at a great rate of knots under power and the spring breaks, you will not experience the problem till you back off the throttle, at that point the tensioner will fail and a terrible cluttering noise will be heard from your engine particularly, if you roll on the power - that's if the engine hasn't already cut out by that time, on hearing the noise you must immediately disengage the clutch and kill your engine to minimize any damage and avoid a possible rear wheel lockup,,
between now and the time you have your tensioner replaced, just be fully alert to any unusual engine noises and be ready to disengage the clutch, kill your engine and cruise to a safe stop, no panic required, do not try to re-start the engine! your bike will then need to be transported, practice this manoeuvre so you will be ready just in case,,
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Boss2
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(10/25/00 6:06:22 pm)
203.18.21.200
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You know I could swear it would be a lot less head,ache,time,hassle and less practice required to just fit a manual tensioner.???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Boss
Snaggs
Australian Club Member
(10/25/00 6:25:28 pm)
198.142.200.243
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I trusted Suzuki with the knowledge that the (re-called) camchain would work properly.......it did'nt! Love the bike, but not the problems. Manual tensioner fitted.......problem fixed!
GLENN
Australian Club Member
(10/25/00 8:39:25 pm)
61.12.101.51
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Hey Jamie common sense says if they already @#%$ed up with the last recall a manual replacement is the go. Also to Volvi the whole head and cams have to come off and be removed to be able to replace the chain guides in the process.. These guides are only replaced to accompany the new tensioner.I have the manual tensioner and know it can't fail.
busababy
Australian Club Member
(10/25/00 9:48:14 pm)
63.34.214.2
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Glenn, just to correct your comment that the manual tensioner "can't fail" , well let me tell you it can if you don't maintain it correctly, also like any other working component it can fail due to wear and tear or fatigue,,
a more apt description would be that, it's less likely to fail than the current unit provided that its maintained correctly, there is NO evidence to suggest that it's BETTER, WILL LAST LONGER or OUTPERFORM the new one currently being fitted by suzuki under the SAFETY RECALL,,
are we to understand that the entire team of engineers at suzuki are naive, incompetent or haven't got a clue and are prepared to risk the safety of some 600 odd busa owners around australia or the much larger number worldwide, in fitting this 'inferior' new tensioner when a manual one is available or can be easily manufactured...
can you be certain that fitting the manual unit will comply with the warranty in all respects and is engineered specifically to perform on the busa ??????....
jamie
Australian Club Member
(10/25/00 10:02:07 pm)
139.134.217.81
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one of the reasons im going with the suzuki item is at the
moment i cant afford the manual one.And yes i know it only about $80.But its my choice and thats the one i made and im the one who has to live with it.And i dont intend to have the bike that much longer 9 or 10 months at the most.No im not giving up on the busa just getting a new one before the
warranty runs out.I must have a lucky busa 30000 kays no probs so far touch wood.
busababy
Australian Club Member
(10/25/00 11:29:46 pm)
63.34.214.2
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I am one of the very early busa owners and only know of ONE tensioner recall till now, so according to my grade 1 maths, this one makes it 2 ?????
where in the f..k does all this smart info come from???????
Boss2
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(10/26/00 12:01:00 am)
203.18.21.200
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Christ this is out of control every body is a bloody expert.
And to be honest I have never read so much incorrect information in one day on a single subject before.A manual tensioner is a cast body with a threaded hole in it that has a bolt screwed into that thread.............WEAR and TEAR,FATIGUE from what? where?
It's a bloody bolt screwed into a thread, it's job is to simply hold the tensioner in a set position so as to allow the cam chain to have the correct amount of freeplay ?????
WARRANTY...........well it would have to be proved that the item fitted created or contributed to the problem ??
Why do Suzuki go to the trouble of an automatic type ??? at a rough guess because our lazy society demand every bloody thing to be automatic and they also have to cater for the idiot factor of people that don't even check there tyre pressures let alone there cam chain tension !!!
I'm no genius and I don't know it all but I do know my job,it's what I'm paid to know.To repeat the words of another person who used to be a member of the club.....if you don't know what your talking about your best to shut up .I wish you all a good Gp weekend and safe riding Boss
Australian Club Member
(10/25/00 5:59:50 pm)
63.34.211.74
Reply | Edit | Del
Re: Recall
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i also got my "URGENT IMPORTANT INFORMATION" notice from suzuki today regarding the tensioner however, too late to save my engine, as i already posted,,
regarding the tensioner: if the tensioner spring breaks the tensioner allow the chain to have excessive freeplay which results in upsetting the valve timing dramatically which can result in the pistons hitting the inlet valves in the cylinder head, the damage to the engine from that point on can be considerable,,
when you are travelling down the road at a great rate of knots under power and the spring breaks, you will not experience the problem till you back off the throttle, at that point the tensioner will fail and a terrible cluttering noise will be heard from your engine particularly, if you roll on the power - that's if the engine hasn't already cut out by that time, on hearing the noise you must immediately disengage the clutch and kill your engine to minimize any damage and avoid a possible rear wheel lockup,,
between now and the time you have your tensioner replaced, just be fully alert to any unusual engine noises and be ready to disengage the clutch, kill your engine and cruise to a safe stop, no panic required, do not try to re-start the engine! your bike will then need to be transported, practice this manoeuvre so you will be ready just in case,,
:
Boss2
Registered Guest
(10/25/00 6:06:22 pm)
203.18.21.200
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Re: Recall
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You know I could swear it would be a lot less head,ache,time,hassle and less practice required to just fit a manual tensioner.???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Boss
Snaggs
Australian Club Member
(10/25/00 6:25:28 pm)
198.142.200.243
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I trusted Suzuki with the knowledge that the (re-called) camchain would work properly.......it did'nt! Love the bike, but not the problems. Manual tensioner fitted.......problem fixed!
GLENN
Australian Club Member
(10/25/00 8:39:25 pm)
61.12.101.51
Reply | Edit | Del
Re: Recall
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Hey Jamie common sense says if they already @#%$ed up with the last recall a manual replacement is the go. Also to Volvi the whole head and cams have to come off and be removed to be able to replace the chain guides in the process.. These guides are only replaced to accompany the new tensioner.I have the manual tensioner and know it can't fail.
busababy
Australian Club Member
(10/25/00 9:48:14 pm)
63.34.214.2
Reply | Edit | Del
Re: Recall
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Glenn, just to correct your comment that the manual tensioner "can't fail" , well let me tell you it can if you don't maintain it correctly, also like any other working component it can fail due to wear and tear or fatigue,,
a more apt description would be that, it's less likely to fail than the current unit provided that its maintained correctly, there is NO evidence to suggest that it's BETTER, WILL LAST LONGER or OUTPERFORM the new one currently being fitted by suzuki under the SAFETY RECALL,,
are we to understand that the entire team of engineers at suzuki are naive, incompetent or haven't got a clue and are prepared to risk the safety of some 600 odd busa owners around australia or the much larger number worldwide, in fitting this 'inferior' new tensioner when a manual one is available or can be easily manufactured...
can you be certain that fitting the manual unit will comply with the warranty in all respects and is engineered specifically to perform on the busa ??????....
jamie
Australian Club Member
(10/25/00 10:02:07 pm)
139.134.217.81
Reply | Edit | Del
Re: Recall
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one of the reasons im going with the suzuki item is at the
moment i cant afford the manual one.And yes i know it only about $80.But its my choice and thats the one i made and im the one who has to live with it.And i dont intend to have the bike that much longer 9 or 10 months at the most.No im not giving up on the busa just getting a new one before the
warranty runs out.I must have a lucky busa 30000 kays no probs so far touch wood.
busababy
Australian Club Member
(10/25/00 11:29:46 pm)
63.34.214.2
Reply | Edit | Del
Re: Recall
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I am one of the very early busa owners and only know of ONE tensioner recall till now, so according to my grade 1 maths, this one makes it 2 ?????
where in the f..k does all this smart info come from???????
Boss2
Registered Guest
(10/26/00 12:01:00 am)
203.18.21.200
Reply | Edit | Del
Re: Recall
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Christ this is out of control every body is a bloody expert.
And to be honest I have never read so much incorrect information in one day on a single subject before.A manual tensioner is a cast body with a threaded hole in it that has a bolt screwed into that thread.............WEAR and TEAR,FATIGUE from what? where?
It's a bloody bolt screwed into a thread, it's job is to simply hold the tensioner in a set position so as to allow the cam chain to have the correct amount of freeplay ?????
WARRANTY...........well it would have to be proved that the item fitted created or contributed to the problem ??
Why do Suzuki go to the trouble of an automatic type ??? at a rough guess because our lazy society demand every bloody thing to be automatic and they also have to cater for the idiot factor of people that don't even check there tyre pressures let alone there cam chain tension !!!
I'm no genius and I don't know it all but I do know my job,it's what I'm paid to know.To repeat the words of another person who used to be a member of the club.....if you don't know what your talking about your best to shut up .I wish you all a good Gp weekend and safe riding Boss