WA the bloody nanny state

[Aussie Steve]

Who cares which standards we have to adhere to, (they are all based from the dawn of time anyway)...it appears the coppers don't know either and even if they did they would still give motorists grief. Until the police force is free from political motivation and returns to what to its original reason for being was we will all be at the mercy of the few bad apples which is exponetialy increasing with the greedyovernments cash needs

[Belzybob]

Belzybob good for you, you could probably buy a bicycle hement and prove it was legal to use.

I don't believe that sort of thing has been suggested anywhere in the thread or is that just your 'sour grapes' reply.

[DAD]

I had to laugh tonight! On the news the Government are talking about rego on push bikes LOL!!

[Landmine]

Belzybob your dislike for SAI Global seems to be clouding your mind. Presently An approved motorcycle helmet is a protective helmet for motorcycle riders of a type that:
Complies with Australian/New Zealand Standard AS/NZS 1698:2006 Protective Helmets For Vehicle Users, as amended by Amendment No. 1 of 28 September 2007 and Amendment No. 2 of 27 May 2009; or
Is an earlier version of Australian/New Zealand Standard AS/NZS 1698 or Australian Standard 1698-1988 that was in force at the time of manufacture or importation; and
Has a mark certifying compliance with an above standard.
Motorcycle helmets manufactured after 31 March 2011 must have an identifying mark from a body accredited or approved by the Joint Accreditation System of Australia and New Zealand (JAS-ANZ) certifying compliance with an above standard.
Accredited companies that certify motorcycle helmets are as follows
BSI, Global-Mark, TUV RA and your favourite SAI Global with there 5 ticks.
Yes may make these companies money but ensures a safe standard of helmet.

[1300hayabusa]

Belzybob your dislike for SAI Global seems to be clouding your mind. Presently An approved motorcycle helmet is a protective helmet for motorcycle riders of a type that:
Complies with Australian/New Zealand Standard AS/NZS 1698:2006 Protective Helmets For Vehicle Users, as amended by Amendment No. 1 of 28 September 2007 and Amendment No. 2 of 27 May 2009; or
Is an earlier version of Australian/New Zealand Standard AS/NZS 1698 or Australian Standard 1698-1988 that was in force at the time of manufacture or importation; and
Has a mark certifying compliance with an above standard.
Motorcycle helmets manufactured after 31 March 2011 must have an identifying mark from a body accredited or approved by the Joint Accreditation System of Australia and New Zealand (JAS-ANZ) certifying compliance with an above standard.
Accredited companies that certify motorcycle helmets are as follows
BSI, Global-Mark, TUV RA and your favourite SAI Global with there 5 ticks.
Yes may make these companies money but ensures a safe standard of helmet.

Im not disagreeing with you but standards which are used in countries IE:Germany,Italy Spain,UK and the US(to mention a few) should be accepted here in Aus and one scenario that happened to me was that I bought an Arai from a race meet in Germany and when i was here in Funny Qld I was pulled over by one of the nice officers and was fined because the fcukin sticker and inner lining do not have the "miraculous" Aus standard.If a helmet is good enough for German roads than common sense dictates that it would/should be good for here too.......but NO FCUK NO that would be too logical for the asswipes in power to comprehend.I think o/seas standards are as good if not better than the ones here and im only saying that after taking in considering that their turn over/sales of helmets,bikes etc bypasses us by miles,their huge feedback and experience should be an eye opener for us .On a similar note,when I stay in Germany for longer periods of time I usually end up buying a helmet or two and Im impressed by the sales people when the first thing they ask me when i say I want a helmet is "what bike do you ride??,as we need to show you what speed rated helmet/models go with that bike"....I guarantee you that most bike sales people here would not know where to start with that .

[Landmine]

1300 Hayabusa
Your point is correct and has some inclusion.
Actually I read some where in the free trade agreements that it is illegal to discriminate against standards set in countries with free trade agreements with Australia as this would be against rules set for free trade. I should have included this point along with BSI, Global-Mark, TUV RA and SAI Global. Will have to verified how this is implemented.
Australia have free trade agreements with NZ ASEAN, Thailand, USA, Chile but not with the EU. This should mean equipment carrying standards in these countries should be accepted here.

[Maj]

So my new Shoie DOT Snell 2010 could be usable on the road
absolutely no different to the stickered one just that i have to have a current Snell rating to race in USA

[Aussie Steve]

DOT surpasses AS and as such should not be questioned...it is a dismal indiciment of the mentality of the police as individuals and the government as a whole. This whole system is getting worse daily and it is well nigh the pissants in power were brought to book about it.

[A^K^T]

Now i know why i am still wating for the Reevu helmet i put a deposit on 26-11-11 , they can't figure out what sticker to put on it to say it's ok to use on WA roads

[Landmine]

I believe it should be ok to use in Australia.

So my new Shoie DOT Snell 2010 could be usable on the road
absolutely no different to the stickered one just that i have to have a current Snell rating to race in USA

[Belzybob]

Belzybob your dislike for SAI Global seems to be clouding your mind. Presently An approved motorcycle helmet is a protective helmet for motorcycle riders of a type that:
Complies with Australian/New Zealand Standard AS/NZS 1698:2006 Protective Helmets For Vehicle Users, as amended by Amendment No. 1 of 28 September 2007 and Amendment No. 2 of 27 May 2009; or
Is an earlier version of Australian/New Zealand Standard AS/NZS 1698 or Australian Standard 1698-1988 that was in force at the time of manufacture or importation; and
Has a mark certifying compliance with an above standard.
Motorcycle helmets manufactured after 31 March 2011 must have an identifying mark from a body accredited or approved by the Joint Accreditation System of Australia and New Zealand (JAS-ANZ) certifying compliance with an above standard.
Accredited companies that certify motorcycle helmets are as follows
BSI, Global-Mark, TUV RA and your favourite SAI Global with there 5 ticks.
Yes may make these companies money but ensures a safe standard of helmet.

It has nothing to do with my either liking or disliking of SAI Global and I did not set out to personalise this issue, so it beats me why you have taken an adversarial and assumptive position. After all, what you *now* are saying is the same as I have.

SAI have had a monopoly position for a number of years and done very well out of it, but that is no longer the case. The common assumption that was being made was that you had to have a sticker issued by Australian Standards and that was taken to mean one from SAI. All I did was point out that the WA RT legislation was out of date.

The current legislation applicable in WA refers to a sticker issued by Standards Australia. As I've said a number of times, you cannot currently have a sticker, because they don't issue them.

My helmet has a TUV compliance sticker, but the WA legislation has not been updated to reflect even that.

You quote without stating your reference or its applicability to WA road traffic legislation.

[GRUNTMAX]

I had to laugh tonight! On the news the Government are talking about rego on push bikes LOL!!

Oh. Believe it or not, probably a good idea.
As you know, registering a pushbike, would also require them to hold CTP Green Slip Insurance. I live on a road that runs through a National Park, full of pushbikes on weekends, one lane each way, with double white lines all the way. None of all these fancy racing bikes have rear view mirrors so they don't know whats behind em unless ya honk on ya horn every time ya pass em. You'll be doing the posted speed limit of 60kmph, get around a corner, and there'll be 3 of em riding abeam of each other at 10 kmph, blow ya horn & the cun*s I'll stick their fingers up at ya.

You get T Boned in ya cage n loose ya eyesight, you've got no legal right to sue them for damages as you carry a Rip Off CTP Green Slip Policy that prevents you from doing this. CTP or Income Protection Insurance(if you have IPI) is your only legal option.

You wipe out an idiot on a pushbike with no rear view mirrors, they have the legal right to sue your ar*e off, take everything and send you bankrupt.

Sure, make them register their pushies, charge em 10bucs, make the cun*s fit rear view mirrors. Make them pay CTP so they've got no legal right to sue you apart from damages to their pushy.
Even if they only pay 50bucs, then the CTP Insurers should reduce your premiums, no excuses.

"DEATH TO THE 4 x OVER THE LEGAL BLOOD ALCOHOL LIMIT CONVICTED DRUNK DRIVER LIVING IN THE LODGE LABOR GOVERNMENT"

"CTP GREEN SLIP AWARD DEFAULTING QBE INSURANCE LTD TAKES IT UP THE AR*E !"......don't have eyes in the back of me head

[ROD]

"DEATH TO THE 4 x OVER THE LEGAL BLOOD ALCOHOL LIMIT CONVICTED DRUNK DRIVER LIVING IN THE LODGE LABOR GOVERNMENT"

"CTP GREEN SLIP AWARD DEFAULTING QBE INSURANCE LTD TAKES IT UP THE AR*E !"......don't have eyes in the back of me head

At AHC we will not condone the wish of Death to anyone on the forum please remove the line then i will remove this post .
And with your other line

Death to all cage drivers

I carry my 3 year old girl in a cage are you wishing death to her

[GRUNTMAX]

Dear Rod,

In your posted reply, you clearly state;
"At AHC we will not condone the wish of Death to anyone".
A Government is a political party that comprises of many persons pushing a political ideology. It is not in fact anyone in particular.
It would of course be absolutely impossible for death to befall all Australian Labor politicians at once.

You further go on to state;
"And with your other line
Quote:
Death to all cage drivers"
I have stated this absolutely nowhere in my post.
In fact, I drive a cage myself whilst travelling on metropilan roads now most of the time as there are too many drunks on the roads.

If you wish to ban me, go ahead, I will hold absolutely no anger or malice towards you for doing so. That is your perogative.
Cheers

[ROD]

Dear Rod,

In your posted reply, you clearly state;
"At AHC we will not condone the wish of Death to anyone".
A Government is a political party that comprises of many persons pushing a political ideology. It is not in fact anyone in particular.
It would of course be absolutely impossible for death to befall all Australian Labor politicians at once.

You further go on to state;
"And with your other line
Quote:
Death to all cage drivers"
I have stated this absolutely nowhere in my post.
In fact, I drive a cage myself whilst travelling on metropilan roads now most of the time as there are too many drunks on the roads.

If you wish to ban me, go ahead, I will hold absolutely no anger or malice towards you for doing so. That is your perogative.
Cheers

Yes your post is directed at Julia Gillard Partner Tim Mathieson not the Labour party
And no im not Labour Liberal Greens , or who ever Voted sex party last time as i thought i might get some Want vote for them again .
And i have no plan to Ban you on this Banning is not a one person job it is Sorted by the Admin team yes im part of that team.