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spamanglenn Wrote:Not trying to imply my bikes stock weight at all.stock with full tank was 253kg.Current spec with half tank 230kg.If the bikes as light as possible you then can slowly add weight where you choose.Ideally if the bike is as light and low as it can get with the gearing set for your power curve and 60 ft times,you,d be sweet.Unfortunately with my stacks it still got so much torque even with stock gearing it still lifts.So to answer your question pan sometimes heavier is faster otherwise all the 1000cc bikes would be doing 9.4,s.A stock front wheel made a noticeable improvement to the galespeed when at stock height in controlling wheelies.This is still an option with less fuel in the lowered trim so once again the bike weighs the same but has its weight further forward for harder and faster launches.Some of us enjoyed physics at school.....some of us were on the debating team.Apples with apples i suppose.with a 16tooth and lowered and a full tank and NO MIRRORS you should see a nine pan.Maybe then you,ll leave me alone.Just don,t expect to catch simmo and me. Now best of luck to simmo tommorrow i,d love to see my record tumble,I enjoy the hunt more than the catch.
9's heh? We'll see... I thought you'd said the best a stocker with Staintunes could do was 10.3 
Leave you alone? I ask questions, like many do. When did this become about you? This is a drag-racing thread for all
Debating? Nah, never did it, but maybe if I did I'd write long-winded responses. School physics? I completed university physics (what would I know?), but I also learnt in other subjects that people will always make assumptions, and I learnt playing poker to check up people's sleeves.
Good luck Simmo and Spa Man. I'm sure you'll only get quicker. I ask questions because I just want to try and learn how, and I like to check up people's sleeves while I do it. 
not everyone has a hidden agenda.10.3 stock height pan.nines lowered and geared.i had my doubts that anyone other than leonard could do it,until i lowered mine and realised how hard you can go in first.I,ll ride yours and show you if you like.You don,t get to keep the timeslip though.  I,m happy to help as that IS my agenda just get out to drags more often and take what i say on face value and you too can join the 9 sec club,even without an easyrider sticker,but that costs extra. 
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My hidden agenda is to beat Glen with no Brick 
Guys we can all learn from this, and at each meet we learn more & more and everyone is passing on the info, its all good 
Congrats to simmo on his first 1.58 60ft.thats with stock gearing and 4 factory pro stacks of course.Sort of blows the theory that you need mega short gearing to 60ft.Maybe with all factory shorts perhaps.(less bottom end).Unfortunately missing 3rd gear shift limited his time to 9.78 at 140mph(suspected slipping clutch too).yes this time was without a brick and RAISING the rear seemed to help keep the front on the ground.I was there to spectate with my bike and weighed my bike with the front wheel on the scale first, then both wheels.It appears my busa carries some 30lb more on the front tyre than the rear.I raised my links up about 30mm and the front weight went UP about 5lb.(2+kg).Oh yeah pulling the can off slowed simmo down too.Doing a 1.5 doesn,t sound as good to an outsider as an et,but to those that know,to do that at stock length was previously just leonards domain and very impressive.Well Done dude. 
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spamanglenn Wrote:Congrats to simmo on his first 1.58 60ft.thats with stock gearing and 4 factory pro stacks of course.Sort of blows the theory that you need mega short gearing to 60ft.Maybe with all factory shorts perhaps.(less bottom end).Unfortunately missing 3rd gear shift limited his time to 9.78 at 140mph(suspected slipping clutch too).yes this time was without a brick and RAISING the rear seemed to help keep the front on the ground.I was there to spectate with my bike and weighed my bike with the front wheel on the scale first, then both wheels.It appears my busa carries some 30lb more on the front tyre than the rear.I raised my links up about 30mm and the front weight went UP about 5lb.(2+kg).Oh yeah pulling the can off slowed simmo down too.Doing a 1.5 doesn,t sound as good to an outsider as an et,but to those that know,to do that at stock length was previously just leonards domain and very impressive.Well Done dude.
I'll ask you one question Glenn, In any of the above post are you having a go at me or any of my acheivements or any of the information I have shared in my experiance on the Drag strip?
I'll bite my tongue untill you answer.
Well done Simmo!.
Leonard.
f*&^ing fantastic riding Simmo congratulations mate on an awsome achievement. Well done 
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Leonard mate i dont think he was trying to take anything away from you
"to do that at stock length was previously just leonards domain and very impressive"
i read it as spaman thinks you and Simmo very impressive  in which case maybe you should be worried he might have been spending to much time wearing mechax pink panties
personally anyone that does better that a 1.7 60ft impresses me no end as to me i know it was hard to get my self to a low 1.8 60 foot i know i can get a 1.7 something with some more practise but anything quicker than that will be hard for me i think.
p.s you guys are getting some awesome times out of bikes with relatively un-outragous mods. ive seen turbo bikes go slower than that pumping out an extra 100hp(yes i know its not all about power) 
Regards
Dan
Dan What we need to ask the Spaman is the amount of money he has spent doing all these mods to his bike lets start with the swing arm the lighter wheels the lighter brakes the adjustable shock the velocity stacks I would be keen to know a rough figure on the price of all that to go 9.6 then weigh up the price of a turbo kit that will get you to go low 9's or high 8's and i still reckon the turbo is the way to go I am hoping to fianally get mine on the track this weekend I wanna run it stock height and stock length to see if i can get to low 9's
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You should understand that Glen also rides on road and does trackdays with the same bike, so handling in his case is important.
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Bill afraid to say, a low 9, Stock Height, Stock Length, is going to be a tough ask as the bike is going to be over powered. At a guess maybe a high 9 depending on boost!
Turbos are definately the best value Power Adder its making the best use of all the power that costs.
Shayne
I know what you are saying Shayne and yes I agree but I still believe a mid 9 is possible on a stock bike and i mean stock apart from the Turbo and when you say he needs his bike for track days and riding well thats the part that differs I am sure he doesnt have his bike slammed for his track days or his twisty's and this is where the fine line of this stock height and length challenge is. I am thinking low 10's or very high 9's for a stock height and length Busa and mid 9's for the same bike but with a Turbo should be attainable I guess this is where i have to start taking mine to some TNT and see what happens
leonard i have no intention of taking the piss out of you.Your the benchmark dude.In america i always see this 16,42 gearing and yes i know you run shorter gearing too.With the current stacks(which massively changes launch torque,ask simmos head bearings) and its limited overrev facility , et all our data shows the current stock gearing works best.with shorter stacks less low rpm torque NEEDS shorter gearing yet the bike doesn,t mph?Ride my bike,with your riding skill and see what et you get.A mid 9.5 or less wouldn,t surprise me.In regards to money spent well when chris(gnarbuckle) lowers his(pipe and airbox,tuned) and demos my stacks you will see alot of the money spent hasn,t made it quicker at the drags but rather brought the overall bike and rider weight closer to chris and simmo.Simmo and i both run within a few kg of each other allup.The only difference i noticed between a carbon rear and stock rear was a stiffer cush drive on the carbon made the launch feel firmer,which did drop a tenth.Good luck chasing a nine stock height and turbo bill.with a heavy rider and a high centre of gravity and more torque you,re gonna need 150mph+ to make up for wheelie killing half track times.If you can 1.7 60ft the thing and keep the front down in first you should go close.Easy in theory.
Didn,t mean to offend anyone,i,m just not a follower.I,ve just found a different way to skin a cat.My setup has no previous data as it hasn,t been done by anyone sharing data that i know of hence was set up on its merits and limitations.Making the bike easier to ride into the nines hopefully has made this timeslip acheiveable for others interested in ticking this box of acheivements.I hope this doesn,t cheapen the efforts of those who have done this through skill,on the same bike they will always be quicker anyway.Thanks to leonard for his advice along the way,my bike is still in one piece,and quicker than simmo.
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Glenn,
You forget that a setup on your Busa might suit Simmo (similar weight riders etc) but that wont suit me or some of the larger guys, gearing is one of those mods.
You take this "streetmeet" thing too serious for most of the guys, its a real pity you weren't racing about 3 years ago, heaps more competition and spending up big on mods was the norm. Unfortunatly those days are long gone (thanks Wsid).
Most of the guys are happy to change a couple of things (gearing, height and tyres etc) and see what results they get. Eg Pan started at mid 11's? now running low 10's,
cost of sprockets less than $100,
cost of strap and links less than $50,
practise $45/ go,
Result priceless!!!
Keep up the good work Glenn, hope you get what your aiming at, when you do get there it will be quite a feeling believe me.
Leonard. 
Legend Wrote:Glenn,
You forget that a setup on your Busa might suit Simmo (similar weight riders etc) but that wont suit me or some of the larger guys, gearing is one of those mods.
You take this "streetmeet" thing too serious for most of the guys, its a real pity you weren't racing about 3 years ago, heaps more competition and spending up big on mods was the norm. Unfortunatly those days are long gone (thanks Wsid).
Most of the guys are happy to change a couple of things (gearing, height and tyres etc) and see what results they get. Eg Pan started at mid 11's? now running low 10's,
cost of sprockets less than $100,
cost of strap and links less than $50,
practise $45/ go,
Result priceless!!!
Keep up the good work Glenn, hope you get what your aiming at, when you do get there it will be quite a feeling believe me.
Leonard.
Hmm!
Maybe i got a fighting chance doing a decent time one day
ahahha
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